triplash asked: My hate of prehistoic eating knows no bounds (not that i care what people choose to eat, but if you want to justify it, at least make sure the reasons arent dumb and scientifically innacruate as fuck?) #anger
yeah. agreed. there are some people who have a combination of allergies that make it so that what they need to eat coincides with the paleo diet but for people who do not have that cluster of allergies there is no point. it makes about as much sense as me not eating peanuts because some people are allergic to them.
it’s really hard for me because i am gluten intolerant and so a lot of places where i need to go to find recipes for something i could eat have a lot of people who are on Paleo diet and they speak with a kind of food-purity language that is dangerous to me as a recovered anorexic. and there’s a lot of talk of “Good foods” and “bad foods” and “guilt free foods” and it’s so unhealthy.
Also there’s no scientific evidence that prehistoric man did live like that and also there is some evidence that it doesn’t take all that long for people to adapt to a new food — i mean it takes many many generations but less than the time paleo-adherents agree with. for example, the genetic mutation that lets europeans drink cow’s milk happened very quickly and that has only been a few thousand years that we’ve been drinking it.
Also, in some websites for paleo there is talk about how we shouldn’t eat new world crops because “our” ancestors weren’t eating them before a couple centuries ago, which is patently not true for anybody indigenous to the Americas! and then there is talk about how we shouldn’t eat rice because it was only introduced into the western diet not that long ago — as if anybody who is reading those instructions wouldn’t have ancestors from China or some place that had been eating rice for thousands upon thousands of years.
So there is some racism in this paleo rhetoric as well, i think, or a lack of acknowledgement that not everybody reading up on the diet is anglo-saxon.
finally, i can not help but notice that all of the “good” foods promoted by paleo or really really fucking expensive. almond flour costs ten times as much as rice flour (which costs four times as much as wheat flour!) you can’t have sugar but must have agave nectar or whatever. they might as well say this is a diet for rich people.
there are so few blogs out there that are posting gluten free recipes that are not at least occassionally posting paleo stuff and almost all of them buy into this “good food”- “bad food” mentality and i just want a few places i can go to that have recipes that are:
* not fat shaming
* mostly from scratch because the chance that I’ll be able to find some kind of gluten free flour at the market is fairly high but the chance that I’ll be able to find “a box of gluten free cake mix” is zero. also “[brand name] [ethnicity] spice mix” is not going to happen, but “oregano, basil, and thyme” is much more likely.
* mostly vegetarian because meat is expensive
* nothing too elaborate or scary: mostly one pot meals.
if i crossed “not fat shaming” off the list i might actually find something, but it seems like a lot of my other (reasonable in my mind) requests are actually fairly unreasonable.
So I’ve really come to hate Paleo specifically much more than I hate any other diet because it’S always in my face and trying to trigger me into restricting and telling me that i’m bad because i can’t afford to make a cake with almond flour and 12 eggs and organic free range agave nectar and dates. or whatever.
"…I’m bad because I can’t afford to make a cake with almond flour…"
I hear you about having Paleo shoved in your face when you’re gluten free.
I’ve been in a couple of communities that were full of this kind of thing. It’s like people are looking for a way to be better than other people, and that’s really what it’s all about. Except before it was Paleo, it was Raw Vegan. It so happens that I eat Raw Vegan because it coincides so well with my specific allergies, but the diet is so fucking expensive. The requirements of this one Raw Vegan potluck I went to - that every single ingredient had to be raw and organic - meant that I was spending 20 dollars on one single dish.
More, a lot of the Paleo people I’m familiar with are horrible fitness elitists - frequently Crossfitters - let’s combine elitism/classism with ableism!
my single, final annoyance with Paleo people -
Why is it that their food pics in their blogs, ALWAYS look like dog vomit?? Everything pureed all to hell? Last I checked, a piece of salmon on a bed of greens was still paleo, so wtf is with the dog vomit puree presentation?
I am NOT a food stylist and I can take better food photos than that.
** oh and in the United States (esp in the Bay Area), you get the same kind of attitude about veganism if you’re a lesbian. Because there is some kind of compulsory lesbian veganism or something.
Seriously, Paleo is complete bullshit. I still wind up on Paleo blogs a lot because many of those recipes involve vegetables I should be eating, but it’s BS. You wanna eat like prehistoric humans did? I hope you and your small children are prepared for the possibility of starving to death.
As for gluten-free, I think a lot of people may have gluten and starch confused and believe that a gluten free recipe is less fattening. Just a hunch.
I’ve seen LOTION advertised as “gluten-free!!” so I have no idea what people who are into buying gluten-free stuff as a consumer trend believe gluten is or does.
That makes more sense. Lotion, makeup, shampoo, etc is actually a concern for some celiacs.
Ah, okay! I thought the gluten had to be ingested to cause problems. Never mind.
Many doctors think it has to be ingested (gluten free lipstick, mouthwash, toothpaste, etc are definitely important) but some celiacs are at least worried enough about getting “glutened” that they feel they can’t be too careful.
And with some reactions being very severe or debilitating (my immediate symptoms are comparatively minor whereas some celiacs have really severe symptoms and sometimes for days), and often “mystery glutening” being a frequent occurrence (having a reaction to something but you’re not always sure what the culprit was), it’s understandable.
Also, the casual contact - touching your face or hands, then touching your mouth, unconsciously - is enough for some people to get reactions.
Yes, I do avoid putting anything with gluten on my body, just to be safe. Another thing I stopped using: one scent of Ecover dish detergent which contains wheat protein. :-| The others don’t have that on the label, but I hesitate anyway. Even with plenty of rinsing, I don’t want to risk it. (And I am one of the people who gets very sick for up to a week, worse the longer I’ve been off it.)
I have seen a few people whose dermatitis herpetiformis came back when they had been eating GF for a good while, including one who broke out all over his scalp. With some more label reading, the problem turned out to be some kind of hair product or makeup. It could be that they got traces of shampoo or foundation or whatever in their mouths, but yeah. I wouldn’t want to risk it if I can easily find products without, even if it’s body lotion that’s not going on my face or hair.
The basic standard I am using now was inspired by someone in blog comments somewhere: the Bus Pole Lady standard. That would be someone who stopped sitting in public transport seats because of the potential for crumbs, with people eating there—and then became convinced that she got glutened by holding onto a pole instead, and stopped using public transport at all. Because crumbs. Seems very improbable if she wasn’t licking her hands or the seat of her clothes, but yeah.
I figure I’m doing mostly OK with being possibly overly cautious as long as I don’t start verging on sounding like that. Especially bearing in mind that I am also dealing with OCD. Really don’t want to go there.
Re: Paleo and why people do it - and why it’s overwhelmingly white upper and upper-middle class people who do it - an analysis.
The Paleo Diet, like raw veganism and Total Organic Eating and Clean Food and Barefoot Running and Living Off The Grid and many of the other activities of White Liberal Hippies (tm) are attractive to people who don’t have enough problems that they can work on in their lives.
Complication and problem solving are major human impetus. If you don’t have enough actual problems, you will make problems for yourself to solve. Some people do it by taking on complicated projects (scientists, engineers, musicians, philosophers, etc) some people by diving into an actual cause (volunteers, social workers, people who build houses for habitat for humanity, etc) and some people will pick a trivial and meaningless drop-in-the-bucket facet of their lives that is nevertheless a fucking pain to change, and then focus all their effort on changing it and defending their choice. They proceed to declare moral authority and insist that their choice is SO IMPORTANT and that because it is hard that it must be worthwhile. No amount of logical rebuttal about how their actions are not actually accomplishing the things they think they’re accomplishing will help, because it’s not actually about accomplishing something. It’s about feeling better by feeling like they’ve solved a problem.
Such people cannot be convinced that they are not in moral authority, because that would undermine the effectiveness of their coping. If they’re not absolutely right, if they’re not doing something important, if it’s not so important that everyone should do it, if it’s not useful, if it’s not perfect…then it’s not going to give them the psychological reward of solving a problem. They feel unsatisfied because they feel powerless or unfocused or listless or without purpose, so they’ve picked a thing that they’ve decided is the REAL cause of those feelings, and they’re working on it. They will insist that it’s working, that it’s awesome and they will not let go. It’s threatening to their coping to do so. It’s threatening to their self-definition. And the longer and harder they’ve fought, the more committed they are, to their cause of choice, the harder it will be to get them to let go because then they’re into sunk cost fallacy territory. This article parodies the downward spiral that can easily occur: http://www.nwedible.com/2012/08/tragedy-healthy-eater.html
If they admit that it’s ever ok for someone not to be a vegan/paleo/organic/consume anything but kale and alkalized water, or that any criticisms of these niche diets are in any way valid, then that means they’ve wasted time and effort and money on something that’s not perfectly worthwhile and universally applicable. That’s a hard pill to swallow when the whole point was making a problem for yourself to solve. After all, it’s really satisfying to go to the trouble of driving halfway across your city to the one store that sells certified organic fair trade raw vegan paleo frozen dinners in 100% recycled, 100% recyclable packaging…but it wouldn’t be if doing so didn’t somehow make you a better person. If you can’t judge other people who aren’t doing the things you have to do to adhere to the rules you’ve made as inferior, some or all of the thrill is lost.
People who have real problems to overcome in their daily lives are less susceptible to this; it’s harder to be pulled into a hole of research and obsession with minutiae of some tiny facet of your life if you have to work sixteen hours a day to make rent and feed yourself and your kids and pay for medications and attend to actual dietary needs that will have real physical consequences if you ignore them, etc.
Super important. Another danger of these casually racist fad diets with no scientific (and even historic, in paleo’s case) evidence like the paleo diet and the GAPS diet is that they lure and con people or parents/guardians of people who are chronically ill and/or disabled who are desperate for a solution that may not even be there. “Concerned” parents of autistic kids flock to the GAPS diet that is backed by nothing but parents’/guardians’ anecdotes and unproven “scientific facts” as told by the mysterious doctor that created the diet. Society is partly to blame for this need to have some kind of control over chronic illnesses and disabilities. I know the all-too-common desperation to want to be able to treat my chronic illness away with something I could have possibly some control over, like eating a certain way and sticking to it, but that sense of control is just a myth.
I’m ashamed that I fell victim to it myself. I’ve had a doctor suggest the paleo diet to me and my parents for our chronic illnesses. We gave up after one week because we couldn’t afford it, there was a lot of wasted food in an effort to experiment in making paleo-friendly alternatives, and it was way too overwhelming. We all felt and still feel incredibly guilty and at fault for our own suffering.
Not that avoiding or eating more of specific foods don’t absolutely help people who have intolerances and allergies, but these fad diets are dangerous as well to people with illnesses/disabilities when their source is questionable. Because of them, we waste money we could have been saving up for on medication, therapy, doctor visits, or fuckin’ anything else.
Reblogging again for another really important point; that ties back into feelings of powerlessness/lack of control, and the need to feel like you’re doing -something- useful to solve the problem/perceived problem.
I’d just want to point out one little thing; being someone who has the allergies etc, and slowly figures out what not to eat - only to suddenly realize when looking up recipes that it falls into this or that diet and having one of two reactions (depending on state of mental health)
"Oh there’s recipes! Groundwork! A foundation!"
"Crap, am I making this up cause I saw this somewhere?"
Because there will be people in your life who think you are and that it’s not serious and you trust them, and the next thing you know you’re sick for a week cause they used something with gluten or some other allergen cause ‘eating like that is just a fad - I didn’t think you’d really get sick’.
There’s damage in making food choices a ‘fad’ while insisting it’s ‘the only way’- cause people with issues have to try and explain. “Yes I need to eat like that, but but but…I’m not saying you have to, yes it’s real. Please don’t poison me.”
But eff hell yeah my shock at realizing how fast my groceries disappear now. And knowing I’m unlikely to ever have the energy to cook with all the alternatives others use as their ‘problem solving trend ‘health diet’.
Also wanting to smack in the face everyone who ‘discovers’ a cultural food and thus jacks up the price, just when I was feeling relieved to find something familiar to eat.
Diet Evangelists and other proponents of The One True Diet That Is Universally Applicable and Should Be Compulsory for All Humans: fucking shit up left right and center for everyone on multiple rubrics.
Melt about 1/4 cup bacon fat in a large pot (preferably aluminum). Add 2 or 3 popcorn kernels, and once they begin to pop, add about 1/4 cup more kernels to the pot. Cook, covered but stirring every minute, until the kernels begin to pop, then cover and continue to cook until the popping has slowed to 2 to 3 seconds between pops. Immediately dump the popcorn into a bowl and toss with generous handfuls of grated parmigiano-reggiano cheese and freshly ground black pepper. (x)
and re: this, let’s note that the gluten free/paleo trend is contributing to the demand for quinoa. Quinoa is promoted heavily as a replacement carb for people who eat gluten free because it contains a lot of nutrients that the cheaper GF carbs lack.
I could make cornbread stuffing, HOW did I forget that?
I want to make cranberry sauce but I don’t want to roast a turkey to put it on and bread stuffing would be horrifically expensive for me to make.
what else can I do with it? Does it go with cornbread or?
Trying to find gluten-free dessert recipes that don’t require me to spend $30-40 on tiny quantities of four different and expensive kinds of flour before I start is the #1 most frustrating part of having celiac disease, actually
I think there’s a few of you that might appreciate me reblogging this.